Comments for Jason's Weblog http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com Built to Change Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on jBPM Community Day by Jason http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/jbpm-community-day-2/#comment-119 Jason Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:01:00 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=196#comment-119 Paul Yeah, absolutely a good thing. I'd not realised that the Rete algorithm is as smart as it is. One could design smart 'logic' through the considered use of rules making the need for bespoke code unnecessary. I have a application in mind ;-) Jason Paul
Yeah, absolutely a good thing. I’d not realised that the Rete algorithm is as smart as it is. One could design smart ‘logic’ through the considered use of rules making the need for bespoke code unnecessary. I have a application in mind ;-)
Jason

]]> Comment on jBPM Community Day by Paul Browne http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/jbpm-community-day-2/#comment-117 Paul Browne Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:32:10 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=196#comment-117 Jason, Glad that you enjoyed the presentation - when you say that 'I came away with a different understanding of Rules Engines' I hope that is a good thing :-) As you may have guessed from the talk, I see Business Rules Engine and Work flow as a natural complement - you don't always have to use them together, but when you do, they make the business problems easier to solve! Paul Jason,

Glad that you enjoyed the presentation - when you say that ‘I came away with a different understanding of Rules Engines’ I hope that is a good thing :-)

As you may have guessed from the talk, I see Business Rules Engine and Work flow as a natural complement - you don’t always have to use them together, but when you do, they make the business problems easier to solve!

Paul

]]> Comment on jBPM Community Day by jBPM Community Day « Jason’s Weblog http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/jbpm-community-day/#comment-114 jBPM Community Day « Jason’s Weblog Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:19:42 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=190#comment-114 [...] to be able to attend the very first jBPM Community Day in Dublin last weekend.  The weather was fantastic; clear blue skies, sun and more sun (remember [...] [...] to be able to attend the very first jBPM Community Day in Dublin last weekend.  The weather was fantastic; clear blue skies, sun and more sun (remember [...]

]]> Comment on BPMN 2 XPDL by Florian L. http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/bpmn-2-xpdl/#comment-113 Florian L. Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:57:43 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=192#comment-113 You mentioned Eclipse JWT which might have a transformation between BPMN and XPDL. Here are some insights into the project: Right now there exists a code generation of XPDL based on the JWT metamodel. Additionally, there exists a model transformation between JWT and the Eclipse BPMN modeler, but the other direction - from BPMN to JWT - is still missing. This is probably what you would needd. Currently, we are working on that issue and will release it as soon as possible. So, when it is finished, you can transform any BPMN model to JWT, add some technical detail there and then generate XPDL code (currently for the process engine Bonita). Best regards, Florian -Eclipse JWT project lead- You mentioned Eclipse JWT which might have a transformation between BPMN and XPDL. Here are some insights into the project: Right now there exists a code generation of XPDL based on the JWT metamodel. Additionally, there exists a model transformation between JWT and the Eclipse BPMN modeler, but the other direction - from BPMN to JWT - is still missing. This is probably what you would needd. Currently, we are working on that issue and will release it as soon as possible. So, when it is finished, you can transform any BPMN model to JWT, add some technical detail there and then generate XPDL code (currently for the process engine Bonita).

Best regards,

Florian
-Eclipse JWT project lead-

]]> Comment on BPMN 2 XPDL by Sandy Kemsley http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/bpmn-2-xpdl/#comment-112 Sandy Kemsley Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:54:56 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=192#comment-112 Savvion also has a free downloadable modeler at http://savvion.com/forms1/process_modeler.php Savvion also has a free downloadable modeler at http://savvion.com/forms1/process_modeler.php

]]> Comment on Run my process by Yuri de Wit http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/run-my-process/#comment-111 Yuri de Wit Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:34:26 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-111 Hi Jason, I am not sure what level of integration you are considering for this experiment, but for the common case we already provide a variety of ways to connect (consume existing data and publish form data) frevvo forms to external data sources and to embed the form UI within an existing application. You may be familiar with most of these, but if not let us know. Now, if you are looking for a deeper integration where not only the form is embedded within your application but also the whole designer, you can also use our new Atom based Data API. We already have some early access customers/partners using this new Data API to embed the form viewer and the form designer into their applications maintaining full control over the forms, applications, schemas, themes created. Good luck and let us know how the integration is going. If you need any additional information or have any feedback dont hesitate to contact us. We surely will be in touch with Matthieu and the RunMyProcess team. regards, Yuri Hi Jason,
I am not sure what level of integration you are considering for this experiment, but for the common case we already provide a variety of ways to connect (consume existing data and publish form data) frevvo forms to external data sources and to embed the form UI within an existing application. You may be familiar with most of these, but if not let us know.

Now, if you are looking for a deeper integration where not only the form is embedded within your application but also the whole designer, you can also use our new Atom based Data API. We already have some early access customers/partners using this new Data API to embed the form viewer and the form designer into their applications maintaining full control over the forms, applications, schemas, themes created.

Good luck and let us know how the integration is going. If you need any additional information or have any feedback dont hesitate to contact us. We surely will be in touch with Matthieu and the RunMyProcess team.

regards,

Yuri

]]> Comment on Run my process by Matthieu Hug http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/run-my-process/#comment-110 Matthieu Hug Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:43:51 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-110 Hello Jason Thanks for the very encouraging review. Let me complete it a little bit: - the forum is not successful: 5 users as you mention, but we have more than 200 users. Actually we answer in French when questions are in French, and that may be a problem. - I fully agree on the user lock-in risk and the need for export: only bad products bet on locking users in... so we try not to ;-) Actually we've been allowing a full export of processes in XML from day 1, through the fact that the full atom description of any process can be opened in a browser (feed link on the process window). OK, that's not very ergonomic, we'll enhance it, but it's fully functional. It's not XPDL neither, but it's more complete as it contains both the functional and technical part of the process (technical = for process execution); and anyhow XML formats are just one transform away one from the other. - as you noticed we are working on the documentation, the architecture part of it is actually poor and especially the API part. All data can be provisioned and extracted through ReST API, that's worth clarifying, indeed. Don't hesitate to get in touch if you need support on your integration work with Frevvo, that's surely interesting and I'm sure the Frevvo team (hello Ashish!) would be as interested as I am in getting feedback on that. Best regards, Matthieu Hello Jason

Thanks for the very encouraging review. Let me complete it a little bit:
- the forum is not successful: 5 users as you mention, but we have more than 200 users. Actually we answer in French when questions are in French, and that may be a problem.

- I fully agree on the user lock-in risk and the need for export: only bad products bet on locking users in… so we try not to ;-) Actually we’ve been allowing a full export of processes in XML from day 1, through the fact that the full atom description of any process can be opened in a browser (feed link on the process window). OK, that’s not very ergonomic, we’ll enhance it, but it’s fully functional. It’s not XPDL neither, but it’s more complete as it contains both the functional and technical part of the process (technical = for process execution); and anyhow XML formats are just one transform away one from the other.

- as you noticed we are working on the documentation, the architecture part of it is actually poor and especially the API part. All data can be provisioned and extracted through ReST API, that’s worth clarifying, indeed.

Don’t hesitate to get in touch if you need support on your integration work with Frevvo, that’s surely interesting and I’m sure the Frevvo team (hello Ashish!) would be as interested as I am in getting feedback on that.

Best regards,

Matthieu

]]> Comment on OS BPM / Restful BPM by Paul Brown http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/os-bpm-restful-bpm/#comment-88 Paul Brown Fri, 02 May 2008 18:57:20 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=177#comment-88 Why the preference to deploy to PVM instead of the Apache Ode backplane? The Ode execution core (which, ironically, was called "process virtual machine" when it was part of PXE circa 2004...) has a long history and is extremely well tested at this point. (I don't know that I've ever seen a bug in Jacob, per se.) Why the preference to deploy to PVM instead of the Apache Ode backplane? The Ode execution core (which, ironically, was called “process virtual machine” when it was part of PXE circa 2004… ;) has a long history and is extremely well tested at this point. (I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a bug in Jacob, per se.)

]]> Comment on Intalio User Conference by Jonathan Crow http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/intalio-user-conference/#comment-85 Jonathan Crow Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:32:34 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=188#comment-85 Jason, We are looking forward to having you. We should put together something along the social lines for people who would like to get together off-line as it were. Look for it shortly. We need to make sure that your first trip to the US is memorable;) Jonathan Jason,

We are looking forward to having you. We should put together something along the social lines for people who would like to get together off-line as it were. Look for it shortly.

We need to make sure that your first trip to the US is memorable ;)

Jonathan

]]> Comment on Cohesive by Jason http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/cohesive/#comment-84 Jason Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:10:18 +0000 http://jasonwoodruff.wordpress.com/?p=179#comment-84 Jim Thanks for your reply. Yes, I think this posting and other comments have helped me clarify my thinking. There are, it would seem to me, to be two things - BPM 'in the large' and BPM 'in the small'. John Mettraux covered this ground http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2006/07/05/bpm-inside/. BPM inside is about using embedded engine, running domain processes (cohesive) and exposed through a WS or RESTful interface. BPM outside is about running an 'enterprise' engine, combining cross-domain process services to create a new process of value to the organisation (not cohesive?). Hope this helps business folks like me! Jim

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I think this posting and other comments have helped me clarify my thinking.

There are, it would seem to me, to be two things - BPM ‘in the large’ and BPM ‘in the small’. John Mettraux covered this ground http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2006/07/05/bpm-inside/.

BPM inside is about using embedded engine, running domain processes (cohesive) and exposed through a WS or RESTful interface.

BPM outside is about running an ‘enterprise’ engine, combining cross-domain process services to create a new process of value to the organisation (not cohesive?).

Hope this helps business folks like me!

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